Having started out working in the early 90's internet at a large UK Telco research facility, Andrew worked with some of the brightest minds in the networking world. However, he quickly realised that he was not one of those bright minds and therefore moved into management. Having worked all over the world doing just about every job in network management and security, including watching a data centre burn to the ground, he ended up with the NZ government, where he now tries to stop them repeatedly making the same mistakes in cyber policy and defence. He feels this gives him job security for quite some time.